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Author: Herb_Wis.
Tuesday, December 30, 2003 - 3:04 pm
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Daily on Wisconsin Public Radio there is a call-in show hosted by Joy Cardin (see description, contact info, and link below) where yesterday a guest (Alan Caruba) came out very much AGAINST the idea of dry or composting toilets. He seemed more misinformed than malicious and some people called in and tried to correct him, but clearly he NEVER GOT IT (or pretended not to get it).

Here is info about the guest and a link to his website. Somebody (hint hint) should be a future guest on this same Wisconsin Public Radio call-in show defending the virtues of the dry toilet as there was considerable interest on the part of other listeners and they are always looking for guests on what they call the "Ideas Network."


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Conversations with Joy Cardin

Show producers (looking for guests):
Sheryl Gasser
gasser@wpr.org

Leo Duran
duran@wpr.org

http://www.wpr.org/cardin/index.

For Program On: Monday, December 29, 2003  at  7:00 AM

From eliminating flush toilets to banning Oreo cookies, Joy Cardin’s guest, after seven, takes aim at the year’s stupidest ideas, made by groups that claim these changes are “for our own good.” Guest: Alan Caruba (kah-ROO-bah), founder of the National Anxiety Center, a clearinghouse to investigate and debunk scare campaigns. He has compiled the Center’s annual list of “The Most Dubious News Stories of the Year.”

www.anxietycenter.com

Quote: "The Most Dubious News Stories of the Year" Food Police, Dry Toilets, and Bovine Flatulence

Check it out....

Author: Herb_Wis.
Tuesday, December 30, 2003 - 3:07 pm
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I see my Wis. Pub. Radio link doesn't work.

This one should:

http://www.wpr.org/

Author: Herb_Wis
Tuesday, December 30, 2003 - 3:10 pm
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Do we know someone who attended?

From the anxiety website:

Quote: Item: In September, The First International Dry Toilet Conference was held in Finland in order to avoid an "environmental disaster", according to its sponsors. Its objective is to eliminate flush toilets. You may have to race former Vice President Al Gore to your outhouse because he has endorsed this proposal

Author: Joe Jenkins
Wednesday, December 31, 2003 - 10:05 am
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FYI: An interview with Joe Jenkins about humanure composting will run Jan 14th at 7pm on WYEP 91.3 FM (Pittsburgh, PA). You can access the show about two weeks later via your computer at
http://www.wyep.org/wyep/music_programs/af.asp#121003

Author: Joe Jenkins
Wednesday, December 31, 2003 - 10:12 am
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I checked out the anxiety center website. It's only a right wing sensationalistic collection of knee-jerk conservative misinformation.

Author: Larry Warnberg
Sunday, January 04, 2004 - 7:03 pm
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Right Wing-Nuts may be misinformed, but they don't miss an opportunity to to criticize flush toilet alternatives as a step backward to the smelly outhouse. My wife and I were the only Americans who participated in the First International Dry Toilet conference in Finland last Aug. The only media attention In the US were two negative reports based on a remark I made on the phone to a reporter that introducing flush toilets to developing countries could lead to environmental problems downstream. My comments about the value of composting toilets for reconnecting the nutrient cycle were ignored. More progressive media failed to cover the Dry Toilet conference, in spite of numerous feeds from me and others. Good luck with your radio presentation, Joe.
Larry

Author: Joe Jenkins
Monday, January 05, 2004 - 1:40 am
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Thanks, Larry.

Author: Brad
Friday, February 27, 2004 - 5:36 pm
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This is a little late -- I haven't even visited the message board for probably over a year now -- but not because I don't like it, or would even think of not composting my own manure.

But anyway, as if to make up for my long absence, here is a rather long post. I will not be offended if no one reads all (or any) of it!)

So here I was, perusing some of the topics that I've missed for so long (and enjoying myself), and I cam across this discussion about Alan Caruba and his anti-dry toilet crusade (not to mention his anti Green, anti energy conservation, anti anything that is reasonable crusades). So yeah, I went to the website and started reading. Boy, what a weirdo! With this kind of misinformation clogging up the brains of so many people, I finally understand what is happening in America to a lot of our neighbors, and it is rather frightening.

What is weird, though, is that I grew up in the Southeast U. S. (Alabama, and still live here), and in a conservative family (my mom was a John Birch society member, and my dad was a Republican), and yet they were never THIS weird at all! I mean sure, conservatives have -- well -- always been conservative and thus, by definition, somewhat distrustful of change, or new ideas. But my parents, like a lot of conservatives, were not stupid. They would not have been so closed minded and ignorant to have been suckers for the kind of weirdness that this guy (and many other contemporary "conservatives") have been disseminating the past few years.

Example, up until I was a teenager, my parents were pretty insistent on short hair, so for most of the time my brothers and had "flat tops." (Smile). So we went to the barbershops a lot, like so many did (and do now). Okay, so all most all of these establishments had calenders in them, and a lot of times these calenders had beautiful pictures of nature -- changing autumn leaves for example, or some beautiful landscape. Yet, today, conservatives act as if loving beautiful scenes like these are just sentimental
hogwash! (I mean forget, for a second, environmental or health issues, just think of natural love of aesthetics.) Some contemporary "Christian" conservatives even compare such love of nature to "devil worship" -- putting nature ahead of God "like one o' dem E-val pagans!" And these weird sentiments -- rather than being less popular than they were as a kid, have gained popularity! Scary!

Likewise, one could sometimes see on such calenders (though this was more something more likely to be observed in the local "grease monkey" mechanic or "fillin' station" rather than barbershop) not nature scene, but a sexy, buxom, "cheesecake" damsel dressed in tight shorts or skirt and having "legs down to there!" (or some other sexy costume). I don't recall my mom or dad or anyone else ever goin' crazy and rippin' such "indecent" displays down in a frenzy of righteous religious indignation. Nor would they. And thank God for that! Yet, many of today's conservatives act really repressive about a woman's beauty (at least publicly).

Lastly, my mom and dad were to some degree racist, but only up a point. My mom, during the depression, had quit her hard-found job at a bank because the owner had cheated a poor, uneducated black man into signing a document the black man had been led to believe was a new mortgage, but was in fact the deed to house and property! My dad, likewise, despite being close friends with a state senator who helped "keep segregation alive," nonetheless was known to make much lower interest loans to blacks, among other decent things. And he was well loved by blacks (still is in fact). But my parents would never have engaged in the outright lies and hate of the neo-conservatives today who seem to want to destroy everything decent -- not just the many things that have been accomplished from the civil rights/long-haired hippie anti-war era, but even things dating back centuries. (Like pick up after yourself, coal tailings, cyanide from gold mines etc. etc. etc.)

Anwway -- for those who decided to read all of this -- God bless you and all of us who care about the earth and the people on it. I hope we can go beyond this mass ignorance which seems to be trying to obscure even blatantly obvious truths. I really feel sorry sometimes for people like this Alan Caruba for being so messed up inside -- but hey, maybe he's just possessed by Hitler (laugh)! I hope it really just ignorance and misinformation. Conservative thought does have its rightful place (example, I don't believe in gun control without alterting the second amendment via a constitutional convention), but most of this crap that is being spouted needs to be composted, and not taken seriously intellectually or factually!

Best wishes and good luck forever!

Brad

Author: Herb_Wis
Friday, February 27, 2004 - 7:28 pm
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I read your message and thanks!

After hearing Alan Caruba and his anti-composting toilet tirade, I emailed the radio station that had him on and suggested that they be balanced and interview Joe Jenkins about Humanure composting toilets.

So far, however, I have NOT heard Joe on that station....

Author: Brad
Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 2:45 am
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Herb,


>>So far, however, I have NOT heard Joe on that station.... <<

Oh well! Maybe the truth will come out and liberate people in some other way! I sometimes have an odd perrenial optimism no matter how strange things seem to get!

Best wishes,

Brad

Author: admin
Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 1:25 pm
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For what it's worth, I did email the producer and offer to be on the show as a counter point to the guy with his head up his...

Never got a reply.

Joe

Author: Herb_Wis
Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 7:23 pm
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Well, then TWO of us emailed that station and never got a reply!

And they always talk about being so balanced and fair.....

Oh well, us true believers know where it's at.

This will sound absolutely crazy to most people, but the Humanure system has made me much less phobic about human waste. It is so ingrained that shit is deadly dangerous that reading the true facts came as a revelation of sorts.

Now I see shit as a valuable resource which it really should be considering how expensive groceries are.....

Author: Aaron W
Monday, March 01, 2004 - 5:16 pm
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Slightly off subject, but one of the great things about these sawdust toilets is that you can put them anywhere, and move them! Not nearly as much hassle as plumbing and installing a flush toilet!

Right now, I'm sitting in front of my computer on top of my sawdust toilet! It's great! I'll admit, it's silly, and probably not something to do on a regular basis, but who can resist multitasking like this for the pure joy of it!

And for those of you, like me, who haven't yet got around to actually constructing the wooden sawdust toilet, there's no need to wait! I just went to the salvage yard (recycle!) and got myself a used toilet seat for $3 (clean it off if necessary), and it sits great right on top of the 5-gallon bucket! No other structure necessary! I'll get around to building the wooden structure one of these days soon, but until thenit still works excellently!

Author: Anonymous
Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 3:21 am
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"But my parents would never have engaged in the outright lies and hate of the neo-conservatives today...."

Neo-conservatives are not conservative. They are corporate socialists who want to make the world safe for McDonald's. Philosophically, they are almost identical to the Rockefellar Republicans that your John Birch mother probably despised while you were growing up. A real conservative is frugal, independent-minded and distrustful of government, and therefore would be open to humanure as a way of screwing the local water authority and producing inexpensive fertilizer. Nothing "hippie-dippy" about that!

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